
Measuring
for standard windows
Bay windows
introduction
We pride
ourselves on our unrivaled service for bay poles. We are the
only company making bespoke bay poles that will supply you with
a scale drawing of your bay showing the precise pole setup.
This way you can be assured that you know exactly what you are
getting and that your pole will fit your bay without any uncertainty.
If the drawing isn't right, or there is something that you want
to change, it's easy for you to see and we can modify the drawing
until the pole is how you want it.
To order a Bay Pole
or make an enquiry:
 Step 1  Measure
bay window according to instructions below and send measurements and
preferences in submission form
 Step 2  We
email you price estimate. Tell us if you want to continue with your
enquiry
 Step 3  If
yes, we email diagrams of your bay and curtain pole. You confirm the
drawings are OK or indicate changes or errors.
 Step 4  We
email confirmation of order and delivery dates. We will contact you
for payment details.
 Step 5  Your
order is dispatched  usually within 2 weeks. We will take payment
from your debit/credit card.
Note: We do
not currently offer a measuring or fitting service. If you feel unable
to measure for, or fit your curtain poles, we recommend that you find
a suitably qualified tradesperson.
Measuring for
bay windows
 Determine the
type of bay you have from the diagrams below. In some cases we may
need a fullsize template to work from. If so, please contact
us directly.
 Take measurements
only along the area where the brackets and pole will be fitted. For
example, if the brackets are to be fitted on the wall above above
the window frame, that is the area that needs to be measured.
 Submit the measurements
along with any additional comments in the bay submission form according
to the bay shape. Please indicate on the form if there are any irregularities
in your bay, sloping or uneven walls or obstructions, for example.
 We will work
out the length of pole necessary, taking into account the bracket
projection from the wall (don't add in your own estimate for this
 we need the actual wall measurements). We will draw a diagram showing
your bay with all the calculated dimensions and angles and with the
pole and bracket positions shown and also give you an estimate of
cost.
 It is your
responsibility to check that the diagram conforms to your bay window
. We will ask you to confirm that this drawing is correct before proceeding
with any work.
A
quick note on continuous curve poles: If you want a continuous curve
pole, but have a bay with bends and angles, you will still need to measure
your bay window according to its corresponding bay shape below. Tell us
in the comments box that you want a curved pole and we will design one
to fit into the bay shape (assuming it is practical and possible). Only
measure your bay according to the continuous curve diagrams if the bay
has a curved wall.
From
your measurements we use a simple method of triangulation to create a
CAD drawing of your bay.
Corner pole / 1
bend bay
Determine
start point (A) and end point (C) of curtain pole. Measure distances
AB, BC and diagonal AC
Corner
pole / 1 bend submission form


2 bend
Square bay
Measure wall
lengths AB, BC, CD and distances AD, AC.
If additional
pole returns are required, please indicate lengths at Ax and Dy
2
bend submission form


2 bend
Angled bay
Measure wall
lengths AB, BC, CD and distances AD, AC.
If additional
pole returns are required, please indicate lengths at Ax and Dy
2
bend submission form


4 bend
bay
Measure
wall lengths AB, BC, CD, DE, EF and distances AC, AD, AE, AF.
If
additional pole returns are required, please indicate lengths
at Ax and Fy
4
bend submission form


5 bend bay
Measure wall
lengths AB, BC, CD, DE, EF, FG and distances AC, AD, AE, AF, AG.
If additional
pole returns are required, please indicate lengths at Ax and Gy
5
bend submission form


6 bend bay
Measure wall
lengths AB, BC, CD, DE, EF FG, GH and distances AC, AD, AE, AF,
AG, AH.
If additional
pole returns are required, please indicate lengths at Ax and Hy
6
bend submission form


7 bend bay
Measure wall
lengths AB, BC, CD, DE, EF, FG, GH, HI and distances AC, AD, AE,
AF, AG, AH, AI.
If additional
pole returns are required, please indicate lengths at Ax and Iy
7
bend submission form


Continuous curve
bay
Mark a point
at the centre of the bay curve (C), then mark points halfway between
A and C (B) and C and E (D). Measure distances AB, AC, AD, AE,
EB, EC, ED. Measure only diagonal distances, do not measure the
length of the wall directly.
If additional
pole returns are required, please indicate lengths at Ax and Ey
Continuous
curve submission form


Continuous curve
with straight ends
Mark a point
at the centre of the bay curve (D), then mark points halfway between
B and D (C) and D and F (E). Measure distances AB, AC, AD, AE,
AF, AG, GB, GC, GD, GE, GF
If additional
pole returns are required, please indicate lengths at Ax and Gy
Curve
with straight ends submission form


The minimum
number of brackets required is three. As a rough guide, bay poles measuring
over 3m in total length will probably require extra brackets. This can
be dependent upon the weight of the curtains, the integrity of the surface
being fixed into and the relative leverages acting on the pole. Square
bay poles are more liable to twisting, for example, because of the greater
leverage exerted on the pole at the bends, as compared to angled bays.
We can
give an idea of the number of brackets necessary when we have drawn a
diagram from your submitted measurements.
If a
pole measures 3m or longer, we will usually recommend additional Passover
brackets and rings that will enable the curtain to pass over the brackets
unimpeded. This will allow one or two curtains to be used for a longer
pole with multiple brackets. Please note that passover brackets will
not work with tabtop or eyelet curtains. Only passover curtain rings
can be used.
The standard pole
projection from the wall is 60mm (6cm). This is also the standard hanging
depth of the pole if it is fixed from the ceiling. This distance is the
actual gap between the fixing surface (wall or ceiling) and the back or
top edge of the pole when it is fixed. If you are fixing to battens this
will increase the projection distance. You are given the option of choosing
other distances of projection in the submission forms. Brackets of 100mm
and over are charged more than shorter brackets.
The
default pole projection from the wall or ceiling is 6cm. Shorter
or longer projections are possible. 

Pole
ends configuration and Finial Display options (back
to top)
Curtain pole will
normally be trimmed so that when finials are attached they will not
protrude out of the bay. If finials are not used, or if space is limited,
pole can extend right to the edge of the bay. Any finials would protrude
into the room. If more space is required, or for an alternative display
option, the pole can have additional returns that bring the pole ends
out of the bay and parallel to the walls of the room. Curtains can be
drawn right out of the bay into the room to maximise light and space
within the bay.
Finials
within bay
Finials
retained within confines of bay. Pole length shortened accordingly.
The standard display option.


Finials
protruding from bay
Pole extends
right to edge of bay. Finials protrude into room. Frees up more
pole space inside the bay.


Additional
pole returns
Added
pole returns maximise space within bay and provide an alternative
display option for finials.


If there
is not enough space between window and ceiling to fix the brackets, fixing
the pole to the ceiling is an option. You will need to make sure that
you have a good surface to fix the brackets onto. We would recommend fixing
directly into ceiling joists or onto wooden battens sited for the purpose.
You will need to know the distance between the top of your windows and
the ceiling. The standard hanging depth of the brackets is 60mm (the distance
between the ceiling and the top edge of the curtain pole). Be aware that
if you are fixing the brackets onto battens, this will increase hanging
depth. Brackets can be made shorter or longer as required. Please contact
us directly for further information.
Bay window
poles carry an additional charge of £10 per bend on all pole diameters
and £30 for a continuous curve pole, otherwise prices for finials
and pole are the same as for standard curtain poles. We do not charge
a 'setup' fee. We use adjustable brackets on all bay poles to allow for
irregularities and to make fitting the poles easier. If required, custom
made brackets and accessories will attract an extra charge depending on
complexity (this includes passover brackets).
If you
would like an estimated price for your pole, without having to submit
your bay measurements to us, you can use the instant price calculator
by simply entering estimated pole size and pole preferences here.
There is also a comprehensive list of our prices here.
Use a steel
tape measure as opposed to a flexible tape which can stretch and
be inaccurate. Keep the tape taught and level.
If possible,
push the end of the tape tight into the bend and measure back to
point A  doing this backwards can mean that you have to bend the
tape back on itself to fit it into the corner, which can result
in inaccuracies.
Print
a copy of the Bay Submission Form page that is relevant to your
bay and write the results into the boxes so that you don't mix up
the dimensions  it's easier than using the back of an envelope!
Transfer them to the web form when you have finished.

Some
important considerations... (back
to top)
 Take careful
note of where you will site your brackets. Centre style brackets (back
plate runs horizontally) will need a minimum 35mm of space above the
window to fix into, which needs to be flat and even. Standard brackets
(back plate runs vertically) need a minimum of 100mm of vertical space
to fit into but aren't normally fitted above the window (see bracket
diagrams)
 Some windows
may have a hard concrete or steel lintel above them, making it difficult
to fix screws into
 A weak fixing
surface, such as plasterboard, may not be strong enough to take the
combined weight of the pole and curtains. Wooden battens may be necessary
to spread the load and allow the location of screws into ceiling joists
 We supply screws
and wall plugs for fixing into masonry, but they will not be suitable
for all fixing surfaces  plasterboard for example. You will need
to supply your own fixings in these situations. Ask for advice at
the hardware store if you are uncertain about what is suitable.
 Standard bay
pole brackets have backplates that can be rotated to run horizontally
or vertically
It's important to take
these points into consideration as bay window poles, which are custom made,
are not refundable!
Measuring
for standard windows
